[Sainith]

I mean, look at it, Samus, has Homing Missles and an ALT boost, Kanden has homing Volt driver and homing ALT stingers, Spire has Lava-immunity, Wall climbing ALT form and burning Magmaul, Trace has a cloak in ALT form and while holding the sniper, Weavel created a turrent whenever he turns into ALT, while still being able to attack with the higher half of his body, and he can reassemble wherever in the map, Sylux has Lockjaw and a life absorbing shock coil.

Noxus, has a Judi, and a one hitting ALT form. Isnt SF kinda neccesary?

[Falcon0408]

Originally Posted by Sainith

I mean, look at it, Samus, has Homing Missles and an ALT boost,
True, which is why Samus is second highest tier (behind SF Noxus)
Kanden has homing Volt driver and homing ALT stingers
Charged VD is easy to avoid, and stings only do like 20 damage and have bugger all range, plus Stinglarva has nil speed.
Spire has Lava-immunity, Wall climbing ALT form and burning Magmaul
Lava immunity and wall climbing make no difference. The only person I've ever seen use Spire's alt for kills is Alex. Magmaul burn is a decent perk though.
Trace has a cloak in ALT form and while holding the sniper
If you stand still ever in this game you are stupid.
Weavel created a turrent whenever he turns into ALT, while still being able to attack with the higher half of his body, and he can reassemble wherever in the map
Turret is innaccurate and weak, and it gets owned by anything
Sylux has Lockjaw and a life absorbing shock coil.
SC is awful, lag means you may be getting health from it, but you're not damaging your opponent.

Noxus, has a Judi, and a one hitting ALT form. Isnt SF kinda neccesary?
SF bumps Noxus up to best character in the game, and non-SF Noxus is already in league with Kanden and Sylux.

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[Sainith]

I mean, look at it, Samus, has Homing Missles and an ALT boost,
True, which is why Samus is second highest tier (behind SF Noxus)
Not much to debate, but Samus homing missles also create a small explosion surely damaging with the homing capability, not to mention her ALT bombs stay in the air or ground, wherever you place it, it stays, creating a hard to dodge grav lift attack.
Kanden has homing Volt driver and homing ALT stingers
Charged VD is easy to avoid, and stings only do like 20 damage and have bugger all range, plus Stinglarva has nil speed.
Charge VD is easy to avoid in around long range, but if you shoot at someone close-medium it is GOING to hit. Kanden's ALT stingers might a little, but if your chasing Kanden your going to be.. Well, stung. XD
Spire has Lava-immunity, Wall climbing ALT form and burning Magmaul
Lava immunity and wall climbing make no difference. The only person I've ever seen use Spire's alt for kills is Alex. Magmaul burn is a decent perk though.
Lava immunity makes a difference, you can run around in Alinds Gateway in the lava holding a sniper, enemies would have to run through the lava to get a clear shot. His wall climbing ALT helped me become more stealthy on plenty occasions.
Trace has a cloak in ALT form and while holding the sniper
If you stand still ever in this game you are stupid.
As good as an argument that is, If your TRace, you cant run around sniping people, at one point, you need a high spot where you can find enemies to headshot, his cloaking makes his spots alot more unpredictable, and the ALT form, you cant be seen on radar as it is, being cloaked, is alot more deadly.
Weavel created a turrent whenever he turns into ALT, while still being able to attack with the higher half of his body, and he can reassemble wherever in the map
Turret is innaccurate and weak, and it gets owned by anything
I cant even think of a moment where the turrent has missed when I didnt run behind a wall, and shooting at it is difficult because of the top part attacking you, while being blinded by the turrent.
Sylux has Lockjaw and a life absorbing shock coil.
SC is awful, lag means you may be getting health from it, but you're not damaging your opponent.
You still get health, if hes not damaging you, or your not damaging him, your gaining health from holding a button. -.-

Noxus, has a Judi, and a one hitting ALT form. Isnt SF kinda neccesary?
SF bumps Noxus up to best character in the game, and non-SF Noxus is already in league with Kanden and Sylux.
You need to be somewhat close to SF, and it freezes you for about 3-4 shots with a Judi, Kanden's VOlt driver distorts Noxus, making it so you dont know where to freeze, while Sylux can just suck the life right back out of you.

My comments are in Blue. XD

[Falcon0408]

Not much to debate, but Samus homing missles also create a small explosion surely damaging with the homing capability, not to mention her ALT bombs stay in the air or ground, wherever you place it, it stays, creating a hard to dodge grav lift attack.
If bombs stand still, why would they be hard to dodge? Just don't go into them. Also homing missiles can be dodged fairly easily, and the splash damage only hits if you're standing next to a wall.

Charge VD is easy to avoid in around long range, but if you shoot at someone close-medium it is GOING to hit. Kanden's ALT stingers might a little, but if your chasing Kanden your going to be.. Well, stung. XD
It's the same without the affinity though, just fire it at them and it'll hit, and chasing someone is pointless on this game for the reason you stated. Best thing is to intercept them with something before they reach health.

Lava immunity makes a difference, you can run around in Alinds Gateway in the lava holding a sniper, enemies would have to run through the lava to get a clear shot. His wall climbing ALT helped me become more stealthy on plenty occasions.
Nobody plays Alinos Gateway, and the lava doesn't doo much damage at all, and can be almost avoided by jumping. His alt is the biggest Alt and one of the slowest, if you're climbing a wall someone can easily pwn you with any weapon.

As good as an argument that is, If your TRace, you cant run around sniping people, at one point, you need a high spot where you can find enemies to headshot, his cloaking makes his spots alot more unpredictable, and the ALT form, you cant be seen on radar as it is, being cloaked, is alot more deadly.
Trace's Alt sucks. And play someone who knows how to properly imp and try standing still, see how far you get.

I cant even think of a moment where the turrent has missed when I didnt run behind a wall, and shooting at it is difficult because of the top part attacking you, while being blinded by the turrent.
You can dodge it by strafing back and forth and jumping, and a good Weavel will rarely attack with the top half.

You still get health, if hes not damaging you, or your not damaging him, your gaining health from holding a button. -.-
Go into Alt and run off next time someone SCs you. It's the shortest ranged weapon in the game, take advantage of that.

You need to be somewhat close to SF, and it freezes you for about 3-4 shots with a Judi, Kanden's VOlt driver distorts Noxus, making it so you dont know where to freeze, while Sylux can just suck the life right back out of you.
That just proves you haven't played anyone decent. I've been SFed from one side of Subteranean when I was at the opposite end. 3-4 shots is all you need. That's like 130 damage or something, follow it up with some mags, PBs or missiles and they're dead. Or you could just imp them in the head. It distorts for a few seconds. Plus, if it's fired from a range that you can't non-SF for a freeze then it's easily dodgable. My Sylux argument explains that Alt>SC. SC is probably the second worst weapon, above Battlehammer.

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[magicmario]

all the other hunters take skill to use basically with noxus you freeze the enemy then just headshot them a few times and there dead kandens homing is rubbish spires magmaul burn takes skill the battlehammer turret is rubbish samus well the missile launcher takes some skill and the bombs arent too hard to avoid sylux takes massive skill to master him fully and trace has rubbish alt form and it takes skill to aim at moving oppenents and headshot and if the oppenets are standing still there stupid unless there trace with the imperialist noxuses freeze can be avoided i agree but it takes no skill to use it really people just change to the imperialist and head shot you when they freeze you most people do anyway

[GLITCHKING]

I don't SF. Im really good at it but if someone SFs I still dont SF. If someone SDF i still don't. I usually win.





SFing is cheap but try to learn how to find a way to kill them

[scarmort]

Shadow Freezing is a glitch that can go through walls. It can freeze your opponent regardless of distance, and you don't even need to see them. It's easy to use because it has a hitbox that is twice as long and tall as the Imp's.

It's cheap.

[Sainith]

Originally Posted by scarmort

Shadow Freezing is a glitch that can go through walls. It can freeze your opponent regardless of distance, and you don't even need to see them. It's easy to use because it has a hitbox that is twice as long and tall as the Imp's.

It's cheap.

I literally lold when I saw this.

Freeze your opponent regardless of distance, its pretty self explanitory how ludicrous that is.
You dont need to see them is wrong aswell, if they were behind you could you freeze them?

[Kirbytron]

Besides the fact that it's a glitch, it's the cheapest tactic in the game. You can freeze anyone anywhere and than just imp their face

[Sainith]

Originally Posted by Kirbytron

SDFing is the cheapest thing you can do in the game.

Actually its LJ spamming. =[