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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

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I am in no way stating how it is done, I'm simply stating what is and is not allowed, as Dani (FC's mother) asked me to do.
The reason yours was deleted was BECAUSE you explained in detail how it is done, which, if you will look, I am not describing how to do anything, whether it is allowed or not.
stop getting all butthurt about making yourself look bad please, and if you're not playing online, then what are you doing here?? O.o
if mine would have been allowed to stayed open you would have seen what i was going to do with the thread i had to leave so i had to stop at that point man and of course it looks like it was explaining hacking but i was no wear near finished and dont give me the debate on not posting it or not i just did ti so it wouldn't time out ... the forum that is while i was at work i was going to get back to it asap im not even gonna waist my time with a new im still here because of the Mega Man part to the forum and i signed up for one last tourney for pokemon just to see how i do and how lame its gotten lol


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that was me with the arceus but now i do not use them any more i am now going to help report hacks
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

If yours would have been allowed to stay open, it would still be telling people how to hack.
That is what caused problems with your thread.
This entire argument whittles itself down to you were explaining how to hack, and I'm simply telling the users what is and isn't allowed, with Dani's permission.
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

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if mine would have been allowed to stayed open you would have seen what i was going to do with the thread i had to leave so i had to stop at that point man and of course it looks like it was explaining hacking but i was no wear near finished and dont give me the debate on not posting it or not i just did ti so it wouldn't time out ... the forum that is while i was at work i was going to get back to it asap im not even gonna waist my time with a new im still here because of the Mega Man part to the forum and i signed up for one last tourney for pokemon just to see how i do and how lame its gotten lol
Stop complaining that you weren't finished when you posted the thing, you could have easily saved the thing in notepad or something, and for the love of god, PLEASE start using correct grammar and spelling.
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

Finally! Somebody gets that cloning isn't bad! On the topic though, is cloning items allowed?

And I don't agree with the legendary reset rule. It allows the user to get a second, third, fourty-second chance to get a legend with good IVs/nature etc. Wasn't the whole point of having one legend so that the user gets only one chance? You could SR, but this... it just seems wrong. =/
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

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Finally! Somebody gets that cloning isn't bad! On the topic though, is cloning items allowed?

And I don't agree with the legendary reset rule. It allows the user to get a second, third, fourty-second chance to get a legend with good IVs/nature etc. Wasn't the whole point of having one legend so that the user gets only one chance? You could SR, but this... it just seems wrong. =/
If the people are determined enough, they'll get them anyways, so why not just save them the hassle? It lets them speed up the process, so the end result is the same.
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

Basically this thread is made to say FC is grey on cheating.

"Cheating is strictly prohibited...eh wait, we kinda allow some of it"


Eggs - Different Pokemon compatibitlies yields different rates at which eggs will be generated.
i.e. Same species Pokemon with different IDs will produce egg 8 times faster than same ID, different species. There is a reason for this to be in the game.
Different species egg hatch require different number of steps. There are abilities in game to reduce the steps required to hatch eggs.
By using cheats in breeding it clearly affects the game in more than one way.
*if really getting technical, using the mentioned cheats will let eggs be generated in frames of the RNG in which eggs wouldn't be produced normally*
Breeding shouldn't be about standing outside the daycare centre and toggling two cheats on and off. Honest people spend hours on bike to obtain/hatch eggs, and there is a road in game designed in every game since 2nd gen specifically for that purpose.
Of course, it's just easier to cheat.


Cloning - when Pokemon and items are obtained, they are obtained once not an infinite number. Additional number require additional effort. There are reasons for these.
Life orb is obtained once in the playthrough, additional will require the player to start and finish the game again.
People spend days to months to breed and SR one optimal IV Pokemon, not getting inifinite number to spread to the entire forum. Honest players spend hours to earn BP to trade for a single exclusive TM.
Of course it's just easier to cheat.

"Banning cloning will destroy all competitive breeding/battling communities"
This isn't an arguement. It's a statement.
Basically it's synonymous to something like "I want to cheat because I can't play the game without it".



Keep in minds there are no extent to cheating. 'Saving time', 'does not alter', etc etc (basically what 'backed-up' the thread) can be use as arguements for cheating to any extent in the same way.
This is probably enough being said.
Only fair playing is fair playing. Everything else is cheating.

And enough of this '____ not affected by ____ cheating method'.
It's absolutely non-sense, and everyone knows it:
If in fact the cheat doesn't affect the game, then you wouldn't be doing it rather than playing normally like everyone else in the first place.


Heck if cheating is to be endorsed. At least be straight about it.


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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

The point of this post is, yes, to say that the FC pokemon forums are grey on cheating.
not because it's easier, oh no, but becasue that statement you posted is true, quite simply.
without at least some form of speeding up the process of creating legitimate pokemon and being able to duplicate them as currency for trade, the community will inevitably fall under, so these exceptions are put in place to keep the community running smooth ,and allow it to grow.
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

Just to clarify, I asked Amadeus, in the capacity of a moderator, to go ahead and revise the Pokemon rules to better suit the community. This thread is something decided and approved by our staff, which is why it is stickied here, and no-one else's thread has been stickied. That is what the staff are here for.

Everyone is welcome to make suggestions and discuss the rules, but please understand that this was a staff-made decision which Amadeus had the authority to implement.
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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

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The cheats don't impact the games competitively which is what this thread is aimed at, COMPETITIVE cheats. Anything else would affect the game on a competitive scale. If you look at it from a single player perspective, it is cheating, but hardly anyone cares to just play by themselves so the game is concentrated on playing with other people, and cheats that are useful for the single player game end up doing nothing but giving a time saver in the multi-player portion. If the player is determined enough, they'll get those items in the first place, and in the end, you're reaching the same conclusion. Would you put 60+ hours worth of effort just to arrive at the same end someone who spent 5+ hours did? All these cheats do is shave off time for people who want particular legendaries to use on their team but they need a particular set of IV's and a particular nature, or for going through 500+ eggs just to reach the same conclusion.



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Re: Rules and Guidelines in Regards to Hacking - 06-21-09

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If yours would have been allowed to stay open, it would still be telling people how to hack.
That is what caused problems with your thread.
This entire argument whittles itself down to you were explaining how to hack, and I'm simply telling the users what is and isn't allowed, with Dani's permission.
but the difference is mine was telling people how to while i was telling them what people do when they hack and i wasn't even done with the thread so people need to stop jumping the gun on stuff like this i was not even giving any links or any damn thing on what programs people use and i even stated at the start of the thread i was NOT CONDONING HACKING NOR WAS I GOING TO GIVE OUT ANY OTHER INFORMATION REGARDING THE LINKS I WAS USING TO GET THE INFORMATION FROM
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