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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-19-09

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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-19-09

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I still don't understand why we don't just use Smogon's tiers. Instead of basing our tiers off of the work of dozens of people, we've decided to base it off the work of one person. I don't see the logic in using this tier list. Somebody care to explain it to me? Don't just say "because we're friendcodes and we need our own list!" That's a ridiculous argument and completely invalid.
As far as I'm concerned, anyone can use any tier list they want. People aren't forced to abide by this tier list. If anyone feels comfortable with the one of Smogon's, then they could go ahead and use that. However, from the way I see it, we have our own because I'm sure friendcodes has its own opinion and thoughts of a tier list. I also feel it would be safe to have a tier list the community of friendcodes developed rather than one that was just grabbed from another site. Also, Smogon doesn't come to us and ask for our advice and thoughts.

With that being said, this isn't being based off one person. If anyone has thoughts and opinions on it, then go ahead and talk about it here.


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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-20-09

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As far as I'm concerned, anyone can use any tier list they want. People aren't forced to abide by this tier list. If anyone feels comfortable with the one of Smogon's, then they could go ahead and use that. However, from the way I see it, we have our own because I'm sure friendcodes has its own opinion and thoughts of a tier list. I also feel it would be safe to have a tier list the community of friendcodes developed rather than one that was just grabbed from another site. Also, Smogon doesn't come to us and ask for our advice and thoughts.

With that being said, this isn't being based off one person. If anyone has thoughts and opinions on it, then go ahead and talk about it here.
Umm, ok. So basically what you're saying is that we need our own tier list solely because we are an independent site, but that people don't have to use it if they don't want. If people don't have to use it, then why do we need it in the first place?

I honestly don't understand the logic here. Instead of using a tier list that is constantly developed and tested by people who have absolutely no lives, we're going to make our own tier list using the ideas of people who aren't exactly top notch battlers and people who can by no means be considered experts on Pokemon. That makes sense...


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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-20-09

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Umm, ok. So basically what you're saying is that we need our own tier list solely because we are an independent site, but that people don't have to use it if they don't want. If people don't have to use it, then why do we need it in the first place?

I honestly don't understand the logic here. Instead of using a tier list that is constantly developed and tested by people who have absolutely no lives, we're going to make our own tier list using the ideas of people who aren't exactly top notch battlers and people who can by no means be considered experts on Pokemon. That makes sense...
That is the exact reason why I labeled it unofficial, the whole idea of me making this, was because I saw on smogon the tiers seem somewhat incomplete and some Pokemon seem to good in the tier they are specified in. This tier list is going to up to date, some Pokemon may seem misplaced, which is why it is updatable and hopefully when we have a tier list we all can agree upon we can enforce others to use this tier list in competitive battling.

I'll try and get the top-notch battlers on friendcodes to test the Pokemon to see if they fit into the specified tiers, that way we could in the future confirm this as the official Friendcodes Tier list.

I am not a top-notch battler, however I have common sense when putting up my own tiers with help from the community.
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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-20-09

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Umm, ok. So basically what you're saying is that we need our own tier list solely because we are an independent site, but that people don't have to use it if they don't want. If people don't have to use it, then why do we need it in the first place?

I honestly don't understand the logic here. Instead of using a tier list that is constantly developed and tested by people who have absolutely no lives, we're going to make our own tier list using the ideas of people who aren't exactly top notch battlers and people who can by no means be considered experts on Pokemon. That makes sense...
Just don't bother with this list.
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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-20-09

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Just don't bother with this list.
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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-27-09

[quote=Jackfrost;1659699]Uber
Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Deoxys-S
Dialga
Garchomp
Giratina
Giratina-O
Groundon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Shaymin-S
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

OU
Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Empoleon
Flygon
Forretress
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Kingdra
Latias
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninjask
Porygon-2
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Roserade
Rotom-C
Rotom-F
Rotom-H
Rotom-S
Rotom-W
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Smeargle
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tentacruel
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Zapdos

BL
Abomsnow
Absol
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blaziken
Chansey
Charizard
Clefable
Crobat
Donphan
Drapion
Duskclops
Electivire
Espeon
Feraligatr
Froslass
Gallede
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Honchkrow
Ludicolo
Magmortar
Marowak
Medicham
Mespirit
Milktank
Milotic
Mismagius
Moltres
Nidoqueen
Poliwrath
Raikou
Regice
Regigigas
Regirock
Rotom
Sceptile
Shaymin
Slowbro
Slowking
Staraptor
Swellow
Tauros
Umbreon
Ursaring
Uxie
Weezing
Yanmega

UU

Aggron
Altaria
Ampharos
Arbok
Armaldo
Articuno
Banette
Bastiodon
Bellossom
Bibarel
Blastoise
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Clamperl
Claydol
Cloyster
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Dewgong
Dodrio
Drifblim
Dunsparce
Electabuzz
Electrode
Entei
Exeggutor
Exploud
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Gastrodon
Glaceon
Glalie
Golduck
Golem
Gorebyss
Granbull
Grumpig
Haunter
Hitmonchan
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Houndoom
Huntail
Hypno
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kabutops
Kangaskhan
Kingler
Lanturn
Lapras
Leafeon
Lickilicky
Linoone
Lopunny
Lunatone
Luxray
Magneton
Manetric
Mantine
Meganium
Mightyena
Minun
Mr. Mime
Muk
Nidoking
Ninetails
Noctowl
Octillery
Omastar
Persian
Phione
Pikachu
Pinsir
Plusle
Politoed
Primeape
Probopass
Purugly
Quagsire
Qwilfish
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Registeel
Relicanth
Sableye
Sandslash
Scyther
Seaking
Seviper
Sharpedo
Shedinja
Shiftry
Shuckle
Skuntank
Slaking
Sneasel
Solrock
Spiritomb
Steelix
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tangrowth
Toarkoal
Torterra
Toxicroak
Trapinch
Typhlosion
Venomoth
Venusaur
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vigoroth
Wailord
Walrien
Wormadam
Xatu
Zangoose

NU

Ariados
Beautifly
Beedrill
Butterfree
Castform
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Corsola
Delibird
Delicatty
Ditto
Dustox
Farfetch'd
Furret
Girafarig
Illumise
Kadabra
Kecleon
Kricketune
Ledian
Lumineon
Luvdisc
Magcargo
Masquerain
Mawile
Mothim
Pacirisu
Parasect
Peliper
Pidgeot
Rhydon
Seaking
Spinda
Stantler
Tropius
Unown
Volbeat
Whishcash
Wigglytuff
Wormadam-G
Wormadam-S
Yanma

Limbo


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ALOT of the BL pokemon should go into the OU tier. Milotic is on of the few water types who can use Recover and Hypnosis, and Electivire is the gun. It's AWSOME.
Slowbro is a fantastic "BulkyWater", Misamagius is pretty good as well.
the BL pokemon need ALOT of work.
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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-27-09

Obsessive compulsive disorder is a serious issue. It could be updated too, idk.
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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-27-09

The reason Milotic isn't OU is because there are so many Bulky Waters who can do the exact same thing...

Suicune vs. Milotic

First off, let me say that the move Hypnosis is all but dead in today's metagame. You said that the reason Milotic should be moved in OU is that it is one of the waters that can use both Hypnosis and Recover. Ignoring Hypnosis for the poor accuracy, Suicune has Rest. Rest may seem like the inferior option but if you're familiar with the Crocune set (Rest, Sleep Talk, Calm Mind, Surf) it's all too deadly. Suicune is naturally more bulky and has the ability to learn Calm Mind. Milotic might've been able to snatch a position in OU if not for Salamence learning Outrage. While Suicune can weather an Outrage with enough to Ice Beam in return, Milotic cannot do the same.

Starmie vs. Milotic

Obviously Starmie is not as bulky as Milotic, but now they both get Recover. However, Starmie has the ability to take out several major offensive threats such as Infernape, Salamence, Bulky Gyarados and can switch into most of Heatran's moves. Milotic cannot outspeed any of those threats and stuggles versus Gyarados. Starmie gets a powerful Thunderbolt while Milotic is limited to Hidden Power. Finally, Starmie gets Rapid Spin which is the immeasurably useful. Starmie can clear Stealth rocks, which are extremely common in OU whereas Milotic cannot.

Tentacruel vs. Milotic

Tentacruel may have several more weaknesses than Milotic but there is a reason Tentacruel is the premier specially defensive bulky water of OU. Tentacruel has Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes. How can Milotic possibly compare to that when it learns neither? I don't think we have to go any further with that one.

Swampert vs. Milotic

Swampert has quite a few things over Milotic. Swampert has an amazing typing whereas Milotic's still leaves something to be desired. Swampert gets STAB Earthquake, Stealth Rock, Roar and the stats to run a mixed set. Swampert can utilize Curse effectively while Milotic cannot use any stat boosters. Haze is a pretty sorry option paired next to Roar. Not much to say here either.

Vaporeon vs. Milotic

Milotic doesn't have anything (Read: anything) over Vaporeon at all. Milotic may be able to recover but Vaporeon can use Wish, which can also be passed to team members and makes for a great support move. Vaporeon has superior HP and a decent Special Defense which pretty much leaves Vaporeon a superior stat distribution. Vaporeon has a massive Special Attack stat and can utilize a Specs set while Milotic with Specs would just look silly. Vaporeon can utilize Baton Pass with Aqua Ring and Wish which is something Milotic will probably never be able to do. Fake Tears also supply a semi reliable way to deal with Blissey which Milotic can absolutely not do.

Well there you go. Five OU bulky waters, each having their own reason why they are superior to Milotic. Now why move Milotic into OU when these five cover anything Milotic could possibley do?




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Re: Friendcodes.com Unofficial Tier List by Jackfrost (Updatable) - 09-29-09

I'm sorry if I look like a noob for saying this but shouldn't Butterfree be moved to UU? If you give it a Scarf and use it as a lead then... Compound eyes + Sleep Powder.
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