Standard Rules - Get to know them'

[Mr. Moniker]

Yes, you're right. Unless other rules are expressly determined (or negated), these are the standard clauses for a competitive battle. I really couldn't care less if I'm p*ssing you off. But I will tell you now that there are plenty of other people like you who'd rather play with ubers and hacks and not give a rip about anything that would help make the battle more enjoyable for everyone.

I'm done here. I don't need this to turn into a flame war.

[NinjaLucario]

I definitely see the point to tier lists and Uber vs. OU - BL- UU battles. Ubers are often simply so powerful and/or versatile that only other Ubers have a chance of battling affectively against them. This greats a very, very limited metagame in terms of the different kinds of Pokemon which can be used, which is certainly a shame because there are so many and they are all great or interesting in some way.

However... I don't find many of the other clauses very attractive.

No Hacked Pokemon/Items - This one is obvious, it's like stuffing aces up your sleeve while playing blackjack. It's not fair, it's mean spirited, dishonest, and results in the game just not being fun.

Eliminating certain moves/hold items - I don't see the point to this one. Several companies get paid millions of dollars to create fun, balanced games... so why do we have to go and change their work. Sure I could put a BrightPowder on my Lucario to try to keep it alive while I set up Swords Dance, but that precludes using Life Orb, Choice Specs, Choice Band, or Salac Berry, which are the standard choices because they work. OHKO moves... are horribly inaccurate, maybe you could hope to take out one opponent in a battle with one before they took you out, and they usually only have enough PP so that statistically.. you should get one (maybe two) successful uses before you ran out.

That said, Pokemon with "standard rules" is a great game that leads to some exciting battles, and the only way anyone is going to have any fun is if each party knows the other's intentions before they start, no matter what rules they are using.


Minimalist Standard Rules

#1. No hacking; items or Pokemon. No disconnecting. ie: play fair.

#2. No Ubers.

[D3FAULT]

Let's not flame, k?

I see both sides of the argument. What I don't understand is why those who want to play competitively and those who don't just battle those who agree with them? Why argue/gripe/complain/whine about it? All you have to do is find people who agree with you and fight those people.

[R0ck3rnst]

I don't battle because of those exact reasons. I breed pokemon for other people to battle. I help build teams for people. I collect. I'm a supplier--not a competitor.

And of course you'd leave after telling me off...without realizing how much experience I have. In fact, the responses you've shot down ARE NOT in support of using legendaries/ubers in standard play, they're for limiting restrictions on standard play so the non-experienced can stay on par with experienced. That being said, if you're an experienced player, you wouldn't use legendaries/ubers simply because they're a turn off, and make you look like a newbie. Use a little logic to figure out what I'm saying: I don't battle with ubers.

Default--That's difficult because most people are competitive battlers. The need to match other competitive battlers increases, so it's harder for most people to find a suitable opponent for a non-standard match.

And yeah, hacking shouldn't be allowed no matter what side of the argument someone takes. That's called being lazy and cheap.

[killerbloodman2]

Hmmm i agree that all of these rules are stupid and ruin the fun of the game. I also agree that if everyone use legends it would be quite bad. Why not just make a limit like only one legend and screw all of these of other rules like sleep clause and crap. What the hell?!?! Just play the game instead of making it so dumb. People wanna make it to where it is pure i have a stronger attack and better move. Who cares if you put your Opponents pokemon asleep? Then they need to work with it. Be creative instead of all of these rules to protect yourself from getting out of a very tight spot.

[R0ck3rnst]

Originally Posted by killerbloodman2

Hmmm i agree that all of these rules are stupid and ruin the fun of the game. I also agree that if everyone use legends it would be quite bad. Why not just make a limit like only one legend and screw all of these of other rules like sleep clause and crap. What the hell?!?! Just play the game instead of making it so dumb. People wanna make it to where it is pure i have a stronger attack and better move. Who cares if you put your Opponents pokemon asleep? Then they need to work with it. Be creative instead of all of these rules to protect yourself from getting out of a very tight spot.

Couldn't have said it better.

[Papersak]

It'd be fair if EVERYONE used legends. But some people want to battle with the other Pokemon for the sake of variety, which is why legends are frowned upon and those lovely lovely tiers were made.

Eh. Tiers are weird, but in Pokemon they're helpful every once in a while...

And having your whole team asleep is pretty frusterating. Not that it's ever happened, and surely some people wouldn't mind. But eh.

If you don't like "the rules", don't use 'em, I guess. By which I mean, set up a hub or something by your own rules, if you want any. *shrug*

[D3FAULT]

SockPuppet wanted me to post this to prove a point, although I still don't see how it is exactly relevant.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZqfyNnbrdmU

It's supposed to prove that skill is very important in a battle.. or something.

[Dingodile]

Keep in mind, you dont have to use these rules you could ask people to play with ubers..

These are just rules to use when your playing competitive battle

[drcoco]

i know this thread is dead but it NEEDS reviving
i know people who need it...