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Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

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It seems like DP will be, more than anything else, about having a certain strategy, planning, and executing that strategy. There is simply too much to counter in too few pokemon and moves; at this point one can never hope to be able to counter everything.
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At A Glance



Like my title says, my team has peaked at 1431 on Shoddy and I need help getting it higher. This is purely an offensive team as you can see. The point is to basically hit the opponent as hard and as fast as possible and I have put together 6 of the best sweepers in the game to make this team work. It may look like there is no thought put into my team when infact, it is quite the opposite. Offensive teams work by switching in Pokemon on predicted attacks to try and minimize as much damage as possible. Another key part of my team is the fact that all 6 of my Pokemon are immune to Toxic Spikes, 4 are immune to Spikes, and only 2 Pokemon are weak to Stealth Rock. This really comes in handy against stall teams by allowing me to switch in and out without fear of taking residual damage. So now that you have a little background info, lets take a closer look shall we?
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A Closer Look


Metagross @ Leftovers
Ability: Clear Body
252 HP |252 Atk | 6 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Stealth Rock
- Meteor Mash
- Bullet Punch
- Explosion

Description: Metagross makes a great lead. He is incredibly bulky and is capable of standing up to every lead in the game (barring Heatran and Infernape). Other then those to previously mentioned pokemon, no other lead is able to OHKO metagross. It's just that dam bulky. This makes him great for setting up Stealth Rock. Stealth Rock is an important part of any offensive team because it turns many would be 3HKO's into 2HKO's. You may be looking at my dual stab moves and be scratching your head, but it works wonders. Meteor Mash puts a dent into anything that doesn't resist it and Bullet Punch lets me take down weakened Pokemon and sashers without worrying about taking another hit. My final move is Explosion. So many games have been won for me because of a timely Explosion from Metagross. Explosion helps me punch a hole into my opponents Pokemon which clears the way for another one of my sweepers.

EV Spread: Max attack allows me the possibility of OHKOing Hippowdon with Explosion. Max HP allows me to survive lead Azelfs Fire Blast. Yanmega’s Bug Buzz is a 3HKO as is Aerodactyl's Earthquake.

Teamwork: Metagross lures out Bulky grounds such Hippowdon and Swampert. If these two lead, I just explode right away and forgo Stealth Rocks. These two commonly carry Stealth Rocks themselves, so neither team gets SR, while I eliminate a major threat to my sweepers. As already mentioned, a timely explosion is gamebreaking. In short Metagross is a suicide lead that is meant to last. I emphasise the word “suicide” because Metagross usually ends up exploding to make way for my sweepers to clean up. Metagross’s steel typing also makes it a great switch into draco meteors and outrages.


Gyarados @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
74 HP | 252 Atk | 184 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Bounce

Description: This is your standard Life Orb Gyarados. I opted to run Lefties instead of Life Orb because in testing, Life Orb didnt push many 2HKO's into OHKO's so the extra recovery is welcome and allows me to say in the game longer. Once Gyara gets a DD it's pretty much game over. He just absolutely rips through teams. Bounce is a great move to abuse. It allows me to gain lefties recovery on weakened foes and is a secondary STAB move. Here are a few damage calcs for bounce:

Bold 252 HP / 220 Def Celebi: 81.68-96.53%
Timid 136 HP / 156 Def Starmie: 72.54-85.76%

EV Spread: Max Attack is fairly obvious to deal as much damage as possible. 184 Speed EVs allow me to outspeed base 115s after a DD, notably starmie. The rest is thrown into HP for extra survivability.

Teamwork:Gyarados deals massive damage to most pokemon. Many teams have to rely on a Scarfer to take down Gyara which allows me to chip away at counters and switch ins. Often times Gyarados takes down entire teams for me. I also redirect all Fire and Ground attacks aimed at Metagross to Gyarados you softens the blows nicely.


Magnezone @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magnet Pull
6 HP | 252 Spe | 252 SpA
Timid nature (+Spe, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Flash Cannon
- Explosion

Description: Putting a Choice Scarf on Magnezone solves the Speed issues that it has; with a Choice Scarf and the given EVs, Magnezone reaches a 360 Speed. This isn't exactly the best, but it allows me to outspeed all steel pokemon not holding a choice scarf which then lets me take them down with either STAB Thunderbolt (which does a lot working off of a 359 attack stat) or HP Fire. Magnezone is my main switch in to Scizor. Zone takes all of Scizors attacks with ease and OHKOs all but the bulkiest Scizors with HP Fire.

EV Spread: Like said earlier, the speed EVs gives me 360 speed. Max HP allows me to really hit other pokemon hard, especially with stab thunderbolt. The remaining EVs were put into HP so that I can take outrages a little better.

Teamwork: Magnezone protects the rest of my team from the ever present threat that is Scizor. Zone also covers Gyara's Electric weakness and it can take Dark and Ghost attacks that are aimed at Gengar.


Gengar @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
4 HP | 252 Spe | 252 SpA
Hasty nature (+Spe, -Def)
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Thunderbolt
- Explosion

Description: Good ole' Gengar. This is your standard life orb gengar set but instead of using hypnosis, I opted for an extra attack move. Thunderbolt and HP Ice provide great coverage and when coupled with Shadow Ball I don't think there is any poke that resists that combo. Explosion lets me take out another pokemon when Gengar gets to low on health.

EV Spread: The EV spread is straight forward. 252 Sp.Atk lets me hit things hard and 252 Speed allows me to outspeed threats.

Teamwork: Gengar covers Magnezone's Fighting and ground weaknesses. Gengar functions just like all of my other members, it opens up holes in my opponents team to allow another poke of mine to sweep easier.
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Lol... I reached my character limit... The rest of the team will be continued in the next post.




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Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
246 HP | 252 Atk | 12 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SpA)
- Bullet Punch
- U-turn
- Superpower
- Pursuit

Description: Pretty much just a standard CB set. Scizor is just such a great pokemon. Once I have eliminated the opposing Zapdos / Magnezone / Rotom, scizor can plow through a team with bullet punch alone. Scizor makes a great check to Mamoswine, Weavile and Metagross. The move that really makes this set is U-turn. I almost always U-turn out as soon as I switch Scizor in so I can scout for potential counters and bring in a counter for their counter. Bullet Punch is thhe move that made Scizor such as beast and is the main reason for everybody using him. Technician + STAB + Priority is godly. Bullet Punch is the main move I use and has won me many battles with Bullet Punch alone. Once things have been significantly weakened in the late game Scizor can sweep with Bullet Punch.

EV Spread:Max attack is obvious for dealing as much damage as possible. 12 Speed Evs allows me to outspeed opposing Vaporeon and Scizors that don't invest in speed, while the rest is thrown into HP for extra survivability.

Teamwork: Scizor adds some much needed power in priority. Scizors U-turn allows me to keep myself in control of the battle, while wearing down Scizors counter on the switch. Scizor is also my switch in for Thunder-Waves. He doesnt mind being paralyzed and then functions as a status absorber once Paralyzed. All Ghost, Dark, and Psychic attacks aimed at Gengar get redirected to Scizor.


Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate
16 Atk | 240 SpA | 252 Spe
Naive nature (+Spe, -SpD)
- Draco Meteor
- Outrage
- Flamethrower
- Earthquake

Description: Salamence is really my clean up pokemon. He is arguably the best wall breaker in the game and can always take out atleast one pokemon for me but usually it's more like 2 or 3. Draco Meteor is my main form of attack and it really hits hard. Flamethrower lets me hit skarms and steels that try to switch in thinking that I'm a DDmence. Outrage is a secondary form of STAB that lets me hit special walls that come in on me hoping to sponge up the Draco Meteor. Earthquake lets me hit other steels and electrics. Games have been won simply because Mence just comes in and overpowers everybody.

EV Spread: 252 Speed EVs is to at best, tie with opposing base 100s, most notably opposing Salamence and Zapdos. 240 Special Attack is to boost Draco Meteor, which is my main sweeping move and 16 attack EVs provide a little power to Outrage and Earthquake.

Teamwork: Salamence usually takes out the opposing teams Zapdos, Bulky grounds or Rotom (If I switch Salamence into Rotom after a kill, they usually stay in to will-o-wisp). Then scizor can clean up late game. Essentially, Salamence should take out at least one pokemon and once that pokemon is gone, one of my pokemon should have an easier time sweeping.
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So there's the team. Feel free to rate away. All rates are appreciated =)




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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

Lead Metagross can survive lead Infernape's Blaze kick or Flamethrower but not Fire Blast. On Gengar you will need 40 hp ev's to OHKO Blissey with Explosion with Stealth Rocks up without he need 136 (I think)
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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

40 HP EVs? Lol I think you meant attack. I'm well aware of that fact. However, if I explode then I leave a gaping hole in blissey which lets me come in and revenge kill with something else.
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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

Sorry I did mean Attack
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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

i already told you this in the chat, but i feel it needs mentioning again.
YOU HAVE A HUGE FIRE WEAKNESS
SCARFTRAN(carries hpice and can kill mence), SCARFMOLTRES(carries hp ice and electric can kill gyara and mence), AND BELLYDRUMZARD LEAD KICKs YOUR BALLS.
see to fixing it ftw.
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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

I am sure no one uses Bellyzard seriously any more seeing how priority is so much more prevalent in battles and Chaos is hopefully smart enough to switch into something that can force switches on Scarfers
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Finally my bro.. Well good set on mence i always recomend that set.
instead of bp carry eq on metagross good team. I think it should have done better than 1431
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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

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i already told you this in the chat, but i feel it needs mentioning again.
YOU HAVE A HUGE FIRE WEAKNESS
SCARFTRAN(carries hpice and can kill mence), SCARFMOLTRES(carries hp ice and electric can kill gyara and mence), AND BELLYDRUMZARD LEAD KICKs YOUR BALLS.
see to fixing it ftw.
errr 1 poke can only learn 1 type of hidden power genius >_>
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Re: Latest Team. Peaked at 1431 on Shoddy. Needs Help. - 01-19-09

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Originally Posted by xcthulhux View Post
i already told you this in the chat, but i feel it needs mentioning again.
YOU HAVE A HUGE FIRE WEAKNESS
SCARFTRAN(carries hpice and can kill mence), SCARFMOLTRES(carries hp ice and electric can kill gyara and mence), AND BELLYDRUMZARD LEAD KICKs YOUR BALLS.
see to fixing it ftw.
Scarfers are pretty easy to outpredict. Heatran gives me the most problems but if I can get it to hp ice my mence I can easily switch into zone and get the kill with t-bolt while taking minimal damage from hp ice.

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Finally my bro.. Well good set on mence i always recomend that set.
instead of bp carry eq on metagross good team. I think it should have done better than 1431
I'm still raising. It was 1431 at time of posting. I rose from around 1200 to 1431 in two weeks with this team lol.
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