My Nub RMT

[Nolie]

The Rotom just switches out asleep so he still has it for future use.

The average player wouldn't even try to bring in DD Mence on Rotom if he already knew it wasn't Scarf. Mixmence for the quick Draco Meteor sure but DD Mence risks getting itself burnt.

Unless he knew all the moves on the Rotom and KNEW it wouldn't be able to Will-o-Wisp him in his sleep, the player would go for Dragon Dance unless our player had already switched in Latias. If so, that would be the only situation in which the opponent would be able to predict the Latias switch in and Outrage. In the case that he does, Iron Head like hell with Jirachi or Gyro Ball with Forretress.

[Ballade]

That's what I hate second most about this game, it's too damn situational :\ In that case, it's an either/or situation. Still, since the thing is still asleep, someone could switch into it and either set-up or lure out the next enemy.

[R3I]

Originally Posted by Ballade

That's what I hate second most about this game, it's too damn situational :\ In that case, it's an either/or situation. Still, since the thing is still asleep, someone could switch into it and either set-up or lure out the next enemy.

Not to mention if Scizor is out, it can Pursuit Rotom for heavy damage since Rotom is just sitting there (again, if WoW isn't taken into account), and the same goes for any Pursuit user.

I don't really think Scizor's going to come in on a Rotom that isn't Scarfed, especially if it's a Rotom-H (hint: CHANGE YOUR Rotom-w into Rotom-H) and try and Pursuit it. Even if it isn't Rotom-H, CB Scizor hates the burn.

EDIT: you edited your post ._.

[Ballade]

Originally Posted by R3I

I don't really think Scizor's going to come in on a Rotom that isn't Scarfed, especially if it's a Rotom-H (hint: CHANGE YOUR Rotom-w into Rotom-H) and try and Pursuit it. Even if it isn't Rotom-H, CB Scizor hates the burn.

I did some math and I realized that the second part of my post was a bit pointless since Pursuit wouldn't OHKO Rotom, at least not from Scizor. Tyranitar, on the other hand will, which is another heavy threat to the team. It can Fire Punch Forretress and Jirachi, Stone Edge Gyarados, Pursuit/Crunch Rotom and Latias, and depending on if it's a DD set or not, can also hurt his own TTar w/EQ. I checked and Surf will only 2HKO TTar while will OHKO Latias with Crunch. A DDTar has a good chance of ruining this team since it can OHKO quite a few members here, and with SR support, has a much bigger chance to OHKO anything that threatens it.

[R3I]

That too. lol.

And yeah, I didn't notice that TTar weakness ._.
But after all, TTar can be crippled with WoW, not that Rotom would typically stay in on a TTar ._.

But hasn't anybody noticed that SD Ape weakness? D=

[Ballade]

Originally Posted by R3I

That too. lol.

And yeah, I didn't notice that TTar weakness ._.
But after all, TTar can be crippled with WoW, not that Rotom would typically stay in on a TTar ._.

But hasn't anybody noticed that SD Ape weakness? D=

You already mentioned it so I didn't bother repeating <.<

I think we can pretty much agree though that if the opportunity shows up, this team is ripped apart by too many common OUs. Latias checks Salamence, but there are ways to check Latias as well, and so on to give Salamence another chance to ruin this team, and with Rotom just sitting there asleep, it's pretty much useless expect for being an attack magnet for someone else, just for the opponent to set up on the sleeping thing.

One example is Lucario, specifically SD Luke. With Crunch, Close Combat, and either Extreme Speed or Stone Edge, it can hurt a good chunk of the team (Close Combat on Jirachi, TTar and Forretress, Stone Edge on Gyarados, and Crunch on Rotom and Latias). I know the same can be said about any team as far as 'if the moment arises", but it seems as if that moment shows up a lot on here. Rotom has no way of dealing with threats once it's asleep by its own hand, so maybe instead of Leftovers, why not the wake-up berry, or Lum Berry? At least that way it can wake up right after using Rest, and be given a "second chance" so to speak to do something before it goes to sleep again.

[R3I]

Originally Posted by Ballade

You already mentioned it so I didn't bother repeating <.<

I think we can pretty much agree though that if the opportunity shows up, this team is ripped apart by too many common OUs. Latias checks Salamence, but there are ways to check Latias as well, and so on to give Salamence another chance to ruin this team, and with Rotom just sitting there asleep, it's pretty much useless expect for being an attack magnet for someone else, just for the opponent to set up on the sleeping thing.

I agree, I think this team relies too much on Latias as a revenge killer.
T_T

[Nolie]

Any team nowadays relies on Scarf Latias heavily. The obvious threats are Scizor and Tyranitar but most teams can deal with them.

[Rookie]

One thing I noticed is Foretress without pain split, rest, or wish support. Walls without recovery of any kind will gradually fall to repeated beatings. You seem to be relying on scarfed latias so maybe you can put wish on Jirachi and get rid of fire punch. When your opponent notices the choice scarf, he/she will almost always fear iron head + trick and switch. Wish sounds kind of dumb on scarf Jirachi, but it isn't since your opponents' switch will cause you to switch too. If not, you can opt for Skarmory who has a reliable recovery move and helps keep DD mence in check to an extent. If you insist on not taking any of those suggestions, you can put pain split on Forretress.

[armandoiscooler]

Hey people thanks for the rates. Nolie and Ballade you guys are awesome for recommending better leads :D I am thinking about putting swampert/machamp as a lead plus they are able to counter my tyranitar weakness. R3I thanks for addressing the ape weakness thing, however I think I am able to handle ape well since latias can just come in while it sd's or even if it tries to attack with flare blitz/close combat/thunder punch. On the team I might try to use toxic spikes in my forretress's moveset since this team is kinda stallish(btw @Ballade, forretress is meant to be specially bulky so it can somewhat cover my scarf gengar weakness).