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[Ballade]

Originally Posted by armandoiscooler

Hey people thanks for the rates. Nolie and Ballade you guys are awesome for recommending better leads :D I am thinking about putting swampert/machamp as a lead plus they are able to counter my tyranitar weakness. R3I thanks for addressing the ape weakness thing, however I think I am able to handle ape well since latias can just come in while it sd's or even if it tries to attack with flare blitz/close combat/thunder punch. On the team I might try to use toxic spikes in my forretress's moveset since this team is kinda stallish(btw @Ballade, forretress is meant to be specially bulky so it can somewhat cover my scarf gengar weakness).

You rely too much on Latias, and once it's gone, everything else can slice through this team. You send Latias out on a Fire type, and it's almost guaranteed that you're going to use Surf, so a Water type can show up, or so. It's too easy to get rid of that thing as well at this rate. You're going to need more than just a Machamp/Swampert lead to cover your T-Tar weakness, but you could get rid of either two: TTar, Rotom, or Gyarados in favor of a couple of Sweepers. Gengar and Salamence are good, as well as Starmie and an offensive Gyarados. For Forretress, it doesn't matter HOW many Sp. Def EVs you put, the moment a Fire attack touches it, the metal bug will burn. Even with max Sp. Def and HP, the min. amount of damage you'll take from HP Fire is 336, leaving you with 20 HP, and considering the max is 396, there's a good chance you'll die in one hit. Unless Gengar doesn't carry HP Fire, then it's going to die (and there's always Dusknoir to worry about with Fire Punch, or Rotom-H with Overheat). A better Spinner is Starmie since it can OHKO Gengar with Hydro Pump and LO. At the cost of a move slot, you'll be able to take out any terrain damage that exists, but with the right Lead, you won't even have to worry about it.

[R3I]

Originally Posted by Nolie

Any team nowadays relies on Scarf Latias heavily. The obvious threats are Scizor and Tyranitar but most teams can deal with them.

This team can't handle Tyranitar very well. Once Latias gets Pursuit-ed by TTar, this opens up opportunities for many other sweepers, an example being Swords Dance Infernape. What's worse, if that TTar is not Choice Banded, and runs Expert Belt instead, this could cause major problems for the team.

[armandoiscooler]

Ballade if I add a gengar/starmie on the team, it won't help since it adds more weaknesses to dark/ghost/bug, plus by getting rid of forretress (for starmie or whatever) I have absolutely no way to counter any dragon attacks that can threaten latias. Also without forretress I become completely vulnerable to scarf gengar. You also say i could replace rotom for one of the sweepers you listed, but that wouldn't work for this team since I will lose my best scizor counter. I also can't get rid of T-Tar because it has the ability to set up a sweep because of its bulk, and I need gyarados to phaze through my opponents team so I can see what I am facing, and so I can accumulate spikes/sr damage.

Then again, I could shift the way this team works and make it more offensive by sacrificing my spin support for scizor(maybe the SD set?) to get revenge kills and handle tyranitar. What do you think?

[Ballade]

Originally Posted by armandoiscooler

Ballade if I add a gengar/starmie on the team, it won't help since it adds more weaknesses to dark/ghost/bug, plus by getting rid of forretress (for starmie or whatever) I have absolutely no way to counter any dragon attacks that can threaten latias. Also without forretress I become completely vulnerable to scarf gengar. You also say i could replace rotom for one of the sweepers you listed, but that wouldn't work for this team since I will lose my best scizor counter. I also can't get rid of T-Tar because it has the ability to set up a sweep because of its bulk, and I need gyarados to phaze through my opponents team so I can see what I am facing, and so I can accumulate spikes/sr damage.

Then again, I could shift the way this team works and make it more offensive by sacrificing my spin support for scizor(maybe the SD set?) to get revenge kills and handle tyranitar. What do you think?

Scizor or Skarmory get the benefit of resisting the attack, and in general, you're going to end up kill-switching to your counter anyway. As far as best Scizor counter goes, Starmie wins hands down. Most Scizor are Banded and use Bullet Punch like a madman, and Starmie resists it, and in the case of Superpower, it also handles it well at the same time. Swampert's another choice because it's bulky enough to take any other hit, and also keeps Salamence in check due to it's defenses being high enough to take an Outrage and strike back with Avalanche. It also work better as a Phazer than Gyarados since it's bulkier and it's only weakness (grass) hardly shows up on anything that isn't called Alakazam, Gengar, Roserade, or Breloom. Your TTar isn't sweeping either. Sweeping implies high speed with high attack power. Unless you put Dragon Dance on the thing, it isn't 'sweeping' so much as 'pseudo-stalling'.

With walls, you have to remember one thing: their purpose is to take an attack and live through it. Forretress can wall, but Fire attacks rip through it, and because a Dragon attack is usually followed up with a Fire attack, that renders Forretress pointless and moot. You'll resist the attack, but Fire Blast/HP Fire will send it to the grave. Heatran makes a better Dragon counter, but even THEN it's weak to Ground attacks, which make up the "Unblockable Trio". There's also the Revenge Killer who is usually scarfed and has an attack that will hit the opponent hard and usually force a switch, depending on the player and the situation.

[armandoiscooler]

Originally Posted by Ballade

Scizor or Skarmory get the benefit of resisting the attack, and in general, you're going to end up kill-switching to your counter anyway. As far as best Scizor counter goes, Starmie wins hands down. Most Scizor are Banded and use Bullet Punch like a madman, and Starmie resists it, and in the case of Superpower, it also handles it well at the same time. Swampert's another choice because it's bulky enough to take any other hit, and also keeps Salamence in check due to it's defenses being high enough to take an Outrage and strike back with Avalanche. It also work better as a Phazer than Gyarados since it's bulkier and it's only weakness (grass) hardly shows up on anything that isn't called Alakazam, Gengar, Roserade, or Breloom. Your TTar isn't sweeping either. Sweeping implies high speed with high attack power. Unless you put Dragon Dance on the thing, it isn't 'sweeping' so much as 'pseudo-stalling'.

With walls, you have to remember one thing: their purpose is to take an attack and live through it. Forretress can wall, but Fire attacks rip through it, and because a Dragon attack is usually followed up with a Fire attack, that renders Forretress pointless and moot. You'll resist the attack, but Fire Blast/HP Fire will send it to the grave. Heatran makes a better Dragon counter, but even THEN it's weak to Ground attacks, which make up the "Unblockable Trio". There's also the Revenge Killer who is usually scarfed and has an attack that will hit the opponent hard and usually force a switch, depending on the player and the situation.

Well for sure I am going to use a swampert but not as a phazer but for stealth rock support and maybe for scouting with protect. Also starmie doesn't really beat rotom in walling scizor since rotom is able to resist both of scizor stabs which starmie can't do, also rotom takes no damage from a superpower and can simply burn the bug.

[Ballade]

Originally Posted by armandoiscooler

Well for sure I am going to use a swampert but not as a phazer but for stealth rock support and maybe for scouting with protect. Also starmie doesn't really beat rotom in walling scizor since rotom is able to resist both of scizor stabs which starmie can't do, also rotom takes no damage from a superpower and can simply burn the bug.

Swampert has better defensive stats and a resistance to Rock and immunity to Electric, and is commonly used as a phazer, and Starmie can resist the attacks, not wall, and KO the bug. Scizor can still be a threat, especially if there's a cleric on the team, but with Starmie, it flat-out creams it. As for walling Scizor, Swampert can do that as well. Your particular Rotom isn't doing anything besides burning it, and there's still Pursuit to worry about.

[armandoiscooler]

Ok I just got some ideas and I want to know if they'll work for the team. Btw I am still conisdering starmie for the team.

The first idea I have is replacing pert with a SD breloom and using ttar as a lead. By putting breloom on the team, I solve my ttar weakness and I can destroy apes with mach punch after a SD. Also I could ,if I want a less stallish team, change forretress to a CB/SD scizor to have another revenge killer/scouter and by getting rid of tressy I can make gyarados a bulky dd varient due to the fact that phazing isn't all that necessary anymore.

My second idea is to use a lead gross since they generally work well to get rocks up and can explode on any potential problems. Also it seems like a better lead for the team than swampert and my original lead rachi, but I could be wrong :/

[armandoiscooler]

Ugh BUMP? Right o.O? I made some changes and I need some more rates

[R3I]

Originally Posted by armandoiscooler

Ugh BUMP? Right o.O? I made some changes and I need some more rates

I sure hope you're not leading with that Breloom ._.

[Rookie]

Scizor could use pursuit over quick attack. The difference between quick attack and bullet punch to jolteon, who has a sad defense is only about 10%(yes this calc was run for banded scizor). That difference is even less on something like gyarados.