Luck's RMT: Through the Storm- A Sandstorm Team!

luckoftheasians

Hi there. I usually play with random teams cuz its more fun but they kinda suck... So I'm trying to make a decent sandstorm team. I know, its kinda noobish cuz SS is annoying but I feel that they have somewhat of a structure. Im not that great at building teams so.. yeah... K lets get to it

T-tar
Adamant @ lefties
6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
~DD
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Fire Punch

???I'm not sure about what set to use on this t-tar. The boah seems okay but not offensive enough for me. Im not saying its not an option, but less appealing. This DD set jumped at me the most. Mainly becuase I have Bronzong to set up screens and I'll be able to DD easily. And I dont want 2 choice pokes on my team anyways
(Flygon + T-tar)...Aside from that, t-tar sets up SS, hes pretty bulky, and has nice offensive power so hes a staple.

Lucario
Adamant @ Life orb
252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
~SD
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Fire Punch

Standard SD LUKE. another staple b/c i need him to finish off the match.Hes also gonna be able to dance with confidence if the screens are up. NOthing more to say...

Cradily
Careful @ leftovers
252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD

~Toxic
~Rock Slide
~Stealth Rock
~Recover

Cradily is basic walling. His Spdef climbs pretty high after SS boost. He can set up SR if hes not threatened. I wanted to use Shuckle here but im not sure if I should. Shuckle has Encore and knock off which will help get free switch ins or knock off lefties and choice items. Cradily has Recover tho and better offense so it can sort of damage somehthing. But cradily can also be set up on...

Bronzong
Relaxed @ Light Clay
252 HP / 152 Atk / 8 Def / 96 SpD

~Reflect
~Light Screen
~Explsion/EQ
~Gyro BAll

This is the screener bronzong that I mentioned earlier. It sets up the screens to make setting up easier and other stuff.Explode if bronzong is useless for the match. I need suggestions on EQ vs. Gyro ball. Also, would more pysically leaning
Ev's help my team out? becasue I got basically 2 more specially leaining walls rite now.

Flygon
Adamant @ Choice SCarf
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

~U-turn
~EQ
~Outrage
~Fire blast

Choice scarf flygon. not the best choice but I espicially liked the ability to scout out the team with u-turn. Being behind screens also helps. I'm gonna be u-turning a lot but towards the end of the match flygon can start attacking weaker switch ins. EQ and outrage are STAB. Fire blast over Stone Edge cuz I got T-tar. Maybe there is something better in this place but flygon works nicely.

Empoleon
modest @ petaya berry
12 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

~Sub
~Agility
~Surf
~Ice beam/ grass knot

Woot! Can't wait to see how this works out. With bulkiness of empoleon and the screens from bronzong, this thing will be beast! It can come in on stuff with great resistences and Agility, then sub until petaya berry activate, and sweep!! Also pretty good water resist that my team needs.

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OK thats the team. IM open to any suggestions... O yeah, let me list some problem that may need to be solved

-THe team as mostly all SS teams has weakness to Ground, Water, and Bug types. I tried to take of them as best as I could.
Empoleon eats water, bronzong can take ground, and bug isn't That significant.... Still a problem though

-I feel that it doesn't have enough Raw POWER... I could be wrong because I have'nt tried it yet... Any suggestions for the
sweepers besides Luke is to be heard.

-I've got 3 set-up pokes (empoleon, t-tar, and lucario), so I have to fix that because if bronzong is gone, they could not be able to set-up.

- I wanna know that pokemon that will plow though this team. Please help me on that someone....

- I dont have a rapid spinner :( I dunno if I NEED it tho...

-Other options that I thought about are:

Dugtrio - revenge killa
Heatran - another revenge killer as well as being bulky and massive spatk
SHuckle - might be a tad better than cradily (This ones big)
Magnezone- It would work well but I thought that it would make for somewhat of a fire weakness even with empoleon..
forretress - good physical wall and solve the RS problem
Vaporeon? - It will help the water weakness because it has water absorb. It also is wish support but no SS imunity...

I kknow there is more but I cant remember... Anyways Im ALWAYS open to suggestions but I would appreciate it If you answer my main
questions first.

THanks In advance Everyone!!

Ballade

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Originally Posted by luckoftheasians

T-tar
Adamant @ lefties
6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
~DD
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Fire Punch

You're best bet with TTar is to use Life Orb over Leftovers. As for setting up SR, Hippowdon is your best bet since it also has sand stream..

Lucario
Adamant @ Life orb
252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
~SD
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Fire Punch

Lucario carries Extreme Speed over Fire Punch, and you might as well go with Earthquake over Stone Edge as well. Bullet Punch over Fire Punch is another option since it gives you the benefit of priority and the possibility of doing more damage than Extreme Speed. Close Combat over Stone Edge is yet another option to run with. If you truly fear Scizor, keep Fire Punch, but at least change Stone Edge to EQ and run a Jolly nature.

Cradily
Careful @ leftovers
252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD

~Toxic
~Rock Slide
~Stealth Rock
~Recover

Cradily actually works here. It isn't weak to too much, and it can wall fairly well. Secondary SR support isn't bad either.

Bronzong
Relaxed @ Light Clay
252 HP / 152 Atk / 8 Def / 96 SpD

~Reflect
~Light Screen
~Explsion/EQ
~Gyro BAll

It dual screens, and it's pretty beefy already, you're in good shape.

Flygon
Adamant @ Choice SCarf
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

~U-turn
~EQ
~Outrage
~Fire blast

If you want a replacement, there's always Hippowdon, Gliscor, Heatran, and Magnezone. Flygon is good for scouting, but it's use is pretty much just that, so it may not be effective.

Empoleon
modest @ petaya berry
12 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

~Sub
~Agility
~Surf
~Ice beam/ grass knot

You're going to need Grass Knot if you really want this thing to be useful. Even then, throwing on HP Electric over Sub isn't a bad idea either, and Hydro Pump's power and accuracy are good enough to warrant it over surf.

You got a decent team put together, and it's fairly well. One other suggestion is Scizor and Swampert. With Swampert and SR set up, you can Roar, Toxic, Roar, Toxic, Roar, Toxic, and so on, and then when Swampert's out, send Bronzong to get the Walls up, get Scizor out, SD, and then go nuts. With the Screens and residual damage taken, the opponent will soften up and more than likely be OHKO'd by anything Scizor does. Flygon and Lucario can go to the back if need be. The main problem with this team is that there are a LOT of Sandstorm and Poison resistant members out there.

luckoftheasians

Thanx Ballade but since you're really good at rating could you answer some of the qustions I have?

Do you think that without bronzong's screens, I might not be able to set-up?

What pokemons does it fear the most?

Anyways, your answer satisfied me thanks

R3I

Wanna know who completely terrorises your team?

Infernape.

Especially if it's Swords Dance Infernape, as it can use Mach Punch to take out Flygon. It can come in on TTar and scare it out while setting up SD in the process (even after a DD, you still can't outrun it: 221 * 1.5 = 331.5 spd. vs. 346 spd.). Then it's pretty much GG from there.

You seem to lack special attackers, and a true Scizor counter (as I really think you should go with the standard SD Lucario with Close Combat and Extremespeed [Otherwise it really lacks sweeping potential]), so a Defensive Zapdos may be a good addition to the team, in Flygon's place. It's a good answer to Infernape in general, but you should watch out for Nasty Plot-based Apes. You're also quite weak to Swords Dance Lucario as well, as with the right set up (Stealth Rock, Spikes, etc.) it could devastate your team to a great extent. Your only real hope would be Bronzong, who can Explode. Even so, +2 LO Close Combat is going to hurt like hell. This is another reason why you should consider using Zapdos on your team.

Gliscor is another option, which you can consider as a lead in the place of Tyranitar. It may not be able to set up Sandstorm (in this case you're going to have to move TTar to another slot), but it can stop attempts to set up hazards, and at the same time set up SR itself). Jolly Gliscor with 216+ Spd IVs is arguably the best SD Lucario counter, and while it's not as good of a counter to Infernape because it lacks the special defense to take an Overheat, you could get lucky and have Sand Veil kick in.

If Flygon's down, you're going to have a bit of trouble with Dragon Dance Salamence, as your only real hope of beating it would be to use Flygon as Outrage bait, and trap it with one of your Steels. Still, if Mence is +1, Adamant, and has a Life Orb, I'm pretty damn sure it can 2HKO both Lucario and Empoleon. You could consider using SD Scizor instead, as it can revenge kill Salamence and is quite a bit bulkier than Lucario. Just make sure that it has the necessary EVs to live a Blissey Flamethrower in Sandstorm.

And you also have a bit of trouble against Jolly Taunt Gyarados with Dragon Dance. It completely ruins Bronzong's attempts of sleeping it / setting up screens, and can escape the predicted Explosion with Bounce. This is another reason why you should consider Zapdos. In general, Bronzong doesn't have too much trouble with Gyarados if it lacks Bounce, because Explosion is an easy OHKO. However, if the Gyarados does have Bounce and you do Explode on it while it's in the air, all you need to do is switch to Zapdos to take the Bounce. As he can't switch out while he's in the air, and you're slower than the Gyara, you'll be able to nail it hard with a Thunderbolt after it Bounces down on you while your opponent watches in horror.

Hope I helped. =3

Sarcasjak

My thoughts / suggestions are in lime.

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Originally Posted by luckoftheasians

T-tar
Adamant @ lefties
6 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
~DD
~Crunch
~Stone Edge
~Fire Punch

DDTar hasn't been a good lead since the D/P metagame. I would change this to something that can SR, since that's what the current metagame calls for.

Lucario
Adamant @ Life orb
252 Atk/ 4 Def/ 252 Spe
~SD
~Crunch
~ExtremeSpeed
~Close Combat

Your original set wasn't standard at all, the original standard set is much better.

Cradily
Careful @ leftovers
252 HP / 160 Def / 96 SpD

~Toxic
~Rock Slide
~Stealth Rock
~Recover

Bronzong
Relaxed @ Light Clay
252 HP / 152 Atk / 8 Def / 96 SpD

~Reflect
~Light Screen
~Explsion/EQ
~Gyro BAll

Try to get Stealth Rock on this thing somewhere or make it your lead.

Flygon
Adamant @ Choice SCarf
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

~U-turn
~EQ
~Outrage
~Fire blast

Adamant with Fire Blast is a no-no, just change it to Lonely.

Empoleon
modest @ petaya berry
12 HP / 12 Def / 252 SpA / 232 Spe

~Sub
~Agility
~Surf
~Ice beam/ grass knot

R3I

Uh, why does this thread have more than 7000 views? O_O

90HeroMAXD

The only thing I would suggest is remake the Cradily and wait til heartgold or ask someone with a copy of the game in this site. Cradily learns curse in Heart Gold so He would be even a better wall.

R3I

Glitch much? Now it's up to 13 500.

Sarcasjak

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Originally Posted by R3I

Glitch much? Now it's up to 13 500.

Either that, or he refreshed his page via auto clicker over night or something to get tons of views to make himself look cool. /stupid idea.

Nolie

Woah views.

Anyway, I think maybe a Lead Tyranitar version would work better than DD Tyranitar as a lead. I don't really have an exact set for you but Hidden Power [Grass] is worth a big thought.

To help with your Infernape problem already mentioned by R3I, you might want to replace Fire Punch with Extremespeed on Infernape. Good luck with the team.