Brawl vs Melee v2.

[Beazy]

I wanted to see the rest of this debate, seeing as Pax tried to end it with a noobish review of all the "cheap" characters, and I wanted to see what all the true Smashers had to say about that.

[{Mexican}]

Originally Posted by Bakithi

I wanted to see the rest of this debate, seeing as Pax tried to end it with a noobish review of all the "cheap" characters, and I wanted to see what all the true Smashers had to say about that.

Aw, you shouldn't have. ;o
What did you think about my counter to his arguement?

EDIT: Based on his final post, he completely ignored the free advice I gave him on spammers that
use each character. Pitiful. :/

[Zel-EX]

More like Brawl vs. Melee v578.

[Sesshomaru]

These threads are getting old. They usually only lean to flame wars.

People who bring them up are usually upset they cant abuse the glitches anymore to win the fights (Damn right, wave dashing was a glitch). When our lovable company Nintendo saw this, They were not happy how people were playing and decided to repair the glitch. To make finding/using glitches that made it passed the debugging, Nintendo decided to throw in tripping to aid in making your attempts fail before your eyes. Now the playing field has been evened one can say, and extremely good brawlers can't wavedash other weak opponents to death, You actually have to work for that win.

In my honest opinion, Brawl is much better than melee ever was. If you don't like it, Sell your brawl disc and go back to melee, Noone is stopping you.


*Yes I know there are other techniques, But wavedashing was the one I picked to bash. I do not mean to offend anyone with this post, Nor is it directed at any one person, Mainly at all the people saying Brawl sucks cause they took out so and so.

Ok Im done with my Sesshorant
*puts on captain falcon anti-flame suit*

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Sesshomaru

These threads are getting old. They usually only lean to flame wars.

People who bring them up are usually upset they cant abuse the glitches anymore to win the fights (Damn right, wave dashing was a glitch). When our lovable company Nintendo saw this, They were not happy how people were playing and decided to repair the glitch. To make finding/using glitches that made it passed the debugging, Nintendo decided to throw in tripping to aid in making your attempts fail before your eyes. Now the playing field has been evened one can say, and extremely good brawlers can't wavedash other weak opponents to death, You actually have to work for that win.

In my honest opinion, Brawl is much better than melee ever was. If you don't like it, Sell your brawl disc and go back to melee, Noone is stopping you.


*Yes I know there are other techniques, But wavedashing was the one I picked to bash. I do not mean to offend anyone with this post, Nor is it directed at any one person, Mainly at all the people saying Brawl sucks cause they took out so and so.

Ok Im done with my Sesshorant
*puts on captain falcon anti-flame suit*

Aniki.
If you don't get it then •••• you.

[Cynical]

I just laughed my ass off on the points proven in the last thread which I never got to have my word in ):<

DANGER WALL OF TEXT
NOTICE: I'm Disregarding Wi-Fi, cause we all know it's horrible... If I went into detail, that would ultimately say I hate Brawl or something *shrugs*

I'm Neutral on terms of thinking any of the games is absolutely better than the other...
But deep down, some little angry man that can break through handcuffs admits I'm pro for Melee...

anyways... Let's get started shall we?

First let's talk about Melee

but before that...

All smash games weren't made to be competitive... People just tend to find glitches in the game that made the game move more in to the competitive side.

Look at Smash 64, It's just your typical beat em up, until someone figured out Z-canceling... then all hell broke loose

YouTube - Isai(pikachu) vs Tsukuru(falcon)
Watch the video to see the godly Isai 5 stock someone with his Pikachu

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2 Years have passed since SSB64, Now we have Melee

This game was an excellent sequel and is still being played competitively today... (even SSB64...) anyways, The game had a roster of 26 characters (including Sheik) and many new modes such as Adventure and Event. Time passed with this game, and people discovered various things such as "wavedashing", "L-Canceling", "Double Stick DI", "SHFFL", and much more things like "wave-shining", "Pillaring", "The Knee"...

This game was here for a long time and is still evolving... but one thing is definite that people will unarguably doubt that this game had that gives a reason it's better than Brawl...
HIT-STUN
With Hit-stun, a character can initiate Combo's or chain-grabs or w/e...
People love to combo, maybe death combos, or just plain sexy ones (such as Captain Falcon)

Anyways... Melee gave us the gift of how hard Captain Falcon can own.
YouTube - Falcon is the best character in this game
Seriously, this is a must watch...

I know, I know, there could be alot more said about Melee, but that's waaaaaay too much won't you agree?
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Now Here we have Brawl,
7 years is the time gap from Melee...
Sakurai hit competitive fans hard with the removal of our "findings"
anyways...

Brawl is the more, defensive one compared to all the other ones. With the lack of hit-stun, one can't go all out with their attacks and basically result to going at it safely which emphasized Spacing and predicting attacks. But without that, we still decided to exploit glitches...
Now we have
-Boost/Hyphen/Dash-canceled/whatever the hell you want to call it/ smashing
-Glide Tossing
-Auto canceling Aerials
-and much more that I don't know yet...

Alot of people hate Brawl for various reasons, whether the lack of hit-stun, Edge guarding games suck cause of stupid auto sweet spot. Sure there are more reasons, but I'm just naming a couple...
But where I thought Brawl was pretty fun, was the Single Player mode... even though Adventure mode was extremely simple (going from Point A to Point B while beating up enemies) I thought it was pretty good, along with the fact Sakurai managed to have a story of Super Smash Bros. in the first place...

But all and all, what I'm trying to say is, Brawl isn't a bad game... it just somewhat lacks a competitive feel and the familiar physics of the previous games.

YouTube - "No Contest" The Fatal Five's 2nd 'Combo' Video (IN HD)
The only thing I can find at the moment that's just too good

Give Brawl some time, Melee had 7 years,
maybe just maybe... Brawl could be the game we all wanted it to be
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People are just going to say the same things...
BRAWL IS BETTER CAUSE OF BETTER GRAPHICS, MELEE HAS HIT-STUN (wait...), BRAWL IS MORE RECENT, MELEE HAZ WAVEDASHING, blah blah blah blah blah blah poop jokes blah...
All the damn games have glitches that are used competitively...
I think Brawl is a good game, I just don't prefer to play it...
I've been playing Melee for years now, of course I'm going to like it...

In my opinion, they each have their ups and downs, w/e you can decide...


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As many of you know... I hate Brawl, but I won't doubt that it was a pretty well made game...
*Tatsunoko vs. Capcom comes in the mail*
•••• YEAH!!!

NOTE: If someone flames me... I'm just going to laugh my ass off

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Cynical Moogle

But all and all, what I'm trying to say is, Brawl isn't a bad game... it just somewhat lacks a competitive feel and the familiar physics of the previous games.

People are just going to say the same things...
BRAWL IS BETTER CAUSE OF BETTER GRAPHICS, MELEE HAS HIT-STUN (wait...), BRAWL IS MORE RECENT, MELEE HAZ WAVEDASHING, blah blah blah blah blah blah poop jokes blah...
All the damn games have glitches that are used competitively...

This is exactly how I feel.

[Hadesdrew]

Originally Posted by Sesshomaru

These threads are getting old. They usually only lean to flame wars.

People who bring them up are usually upset they cant abuse the glitches anymore to win the fights (Damn right, wave dashing was a glitch). When our lovable company Nintendo saw this, They were not happy how people were playing and decided to repair the glitch. To make finding/using glitches that made it passed the debugging, Nintendo decided to throw in tripping to aid in making your attempts fail before your eyes. Now the playing field has been evened one can say, and extremely good brawlers can't wavedash other weak opponents to death, You actually have to work for that win.

In my honest opinion, Brawl is much better than melee ever was. If you don't like it, Sell your brawl disc and go back to melee, Noone is stopping you.


*Yes I know there are other techniques, But wavedashing was the one I picked to bash. I do not mean to offend anyone with this post, Nor is it directed at any one person, Mainly at all the people saying Brawl sucks cause they took out so and so.

Ok Im done with my Sesshorant
*puts on captain falcon anti-flame suit*

They took it out because (Exact quote) "We took wavedashing out due to all the new casual players being online. We wanted to try and give them a chance."
Fantastic.
We don't like it because there is actually a character than can use 3 moves and easily win a match agienst even some tourny level players.

[Taco]

Originally Posted by Hadesdrew

They took it out because (Exact quote) "We took wavedashing out due to all the new casual players being online. We wanted to try and give them a chance."
Fantastic.
We don't like it because there is actually a character than can use 3 moves and easily win a match agienst even some tourny level players.

What the •••• are you talking about hades.

[Beazy]

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