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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

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I'm having trouble with Fox vs Kirby. (Or any other short character.)

You see, the thing is, my Fox revolves around aerials, and I'm too lazy/much of an idiot to fast fall every time. Shnair doesn't hit Kirby. It only will if it connects WHILE rising. It's weird.

So yeah, I'll take suggestions on that predicimate.
SHFFNair>Fsmash. Fox's Nair is a sex kick, meaning it has two hitboxes. One is strong and appears at the very beginning of the attack and for the first few frames of it. Next is the weak one that hits about a second after the Nair is out and for the remainder of the attack. This small combo works pretty well and does a bit of damage. Fox's Fair works very well on Kirby and using your Helicopter Kick (Rising Fair when using your second jump, Fox's jump height exceeds that of his normal second jump, plus he's attacking.) as a recovery option can stop a lot of things he may try and do to you offstage.

You are a fast faller. This is bad. Kirby loves fast fallers very much. I'm sure you know Kirby's 0%-56% combo, this works VERY VERY VERY well on Fox, you can also be combo'd pretty well because of this. Expect Kirby to be doing this at the beginning of your stocks, predict and punish. You should be mixing up your Dair approaches too, throw in Shine Stalled ones to mindgame your opponent into dodge or shield grabbing early then rape them. Dair>Usmash kills Kirby pretty early, be sure to keep your Usmash fresh. Throw in your dash attack into utilt stuff as some hit and run tactics you build up percentages. You are also very light and Kirby's smashes (most notably his Fsmash) can kill you pretty early too. The Fsmash has range, power, and a lingering hitbox that isn't as strong but can kill you vertically if your precent is high enough. You can also grab Kirby out of his DownB.


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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

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Hello, Friendcodes. I've decided that I'd like to help you guys out. The purpose of this thread is to answer any match up questions you may have. Having trouble fighting Snake with your character? Then feel free to ask me and I'll impart all the knowledge I have on the match-up onto you as well as a match-up ratio and some helpful links and quotes to help you out and improve your character overall.

Unlike our friend Dragoomba, I cannot play every character at a competitive level and may lack some characters match-up knowledge, but don't worry! I'll be enlisting the help of some world smash players I know that can help me answer your questions. So go ahead and ask away.

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Here is some toughies for ya. Yoshi advice against the following, Snake,ZSS,MK,Toonlink
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

Wario vs Zss
Wario vs Marth
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

Fox vs Pikachu.
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

Bowser vs IC

They always seem to get me in an infinite chain lock :U
I CANT ESCAPE THE GRAB
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

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Fox vs Pikachu.
Get a secondary.
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

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Bowser vs IC

They always seem to get me in an infinite chain lock :U
I CANT ESCAPE THE GRAB
Use firebreath A LOT. Spam that ••••. Space with Bowser's impressive Fair. Bait them to try and grab you and punish with UpB or Dsmash. Pressure them offstage with more fire or Fair's. You should also Koopa Hop a ton here, they can't grab you in the air and you cause use this to do aerials across the stage.
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

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Get a secondary.
I guess it really IS that bad ;o
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Re: Kirin's Match-Up Help Thread. - 03-12-09

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I guess it really IS that bad ;o
Yes it is. Pikachu can 0-80 Chain Grab Fox with Dthrow and can finish it with an Fsmash that can kill you. So you're either taking 80% or losing a stock.
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