Unexpected mains

[NinjaWithNoName]

Originally Posted by Jibbeh

not, he has quite a few of them in common with him.
let's see.... forward smash, down smash, the hitbox on the up-smash, U-air hitbox, B-air, down-B, and, if you want to call all the space animals clones, then you have to call his up-B similar as well.
as for the solid snake question, I don't own a PS1, or a PS2, or a PS3, nor have I ever played any of the games, nor much cared to do so.

The forward smash is similar but not exactly the same. The down smash is similar through out all the sword charecters (Link, toon link, pit, metaknight, marth, and ike), the up smash on Marth he points he sword straight into the air while Ike does a large sweep above him. There are still many differances that justify that they are not clones

[LI0NHEART]

Originally Posted by Jibbeh

not, he has quite a few of them in common with him.
let's see.... forward smash, down smash, the hitbox on the up-smash, U-air hitbox, B-air, down-B, and, if you want to call all the space animals clones, then you have to call his up-B similar as well.
as for the solid snake question, I don't own a PS1, or a PS2, or a PS3, nor have I ever played any of the games, nor much cared to do so.

Okay, coming from someone who mains Marth, and has a partner for team battles who originally mained Ike, they are hardly clones. forward smash is not similar at all (Ike's is far slower and far more powerful), down smash someone already addressed, up-smash hitbox may be similar, but Marth's is far more powerful, down-B is quicker with Marth and Lucario also has a down-B (it's a counter silly). Not to mention Marth has the whole tip of the sword, base of the sword thing, which Ike does not. And the way they are played is also completely different. So, hardly clones.

[Mirror FX]

Originally Posted by LI0NHEART

Okay, coming from someone who mains Marth, and has a partner for team battles who originally mained Ike, they are hardly clones. forward smash is not similar at all (Ike's is far slower and far more powerful), down smash someone already addressed, up-smash hitbox may be similar, but Marth's is far more powerful, down-B is quicker with Marth and Lucario also has a down-B (it's a counter silly). Not to mention Marth has the whole tip of the sword, base of the sword thing, which Ike does not. And the way they are played is also completely different. So, hardly clones.

HAHAHAHA, you're comparing their speed!
if we're comparing speed, then Falco and Fox aren't clones either, Fox's reflector comes out WAAYYYY quicker, oh, and his fire fox goes farther,
heck, if we're comparing speed, then ganondorf and Captain falcon CAN'T be the clones!!! do you see what I'm talking about??

[LI0NHEART]

Originally Posted by Jibbeh

HAHAHAHA, you're comparing their speed!
if we're comparing speed, then Falco and Fox aren't clones either, Fox's reflector comes out WAAYYYY quicker, oh, and his fire fox goes farther,
heck, if we're comparing speed, then ganondorf and Captain falcon CAN'T be the clones!!! do you see what I'm talking about??

Without turning this into a flame war, and keeping it as a friendly debate: here is my response.

I didn't read the thread all the way through, so I don't know about other comparisons, but a lot of the moves of the two comparisons you just listed are extremely similar. I find it odd that you singled out my comparison of speed and ignored all my other well-made points about the differences of their moves. I understand you want to prove a point, but there simply isn't a clone relationship between Marth and Ike. They are just too different. You want to throw the speed point out? That's fine. I made plenty of other good points that you have chosen to ignore.

[Mirror FX]

ther are a TON of differences between falco and fox as well, and lets not forget Mario and luigi.
different powers and animations are mandatory for clones, otherwise it'd just be the same chatracter, with a slightly different look, the only other points you made were their differences in power, and the speed, and the animations, for SOME of the moves.
however, the hitboxes are almost all exactly the same, with Ike's, of course, being a little wider, due to his larger sword. again I'll make the point.
Falco and fox. Fox's fire fox goes way farther, and is faster, and all of foxes animations are way different from Falco's, but they're still clones, even though falco has a few interesting things about him, such as his reflector kick, and his new F-smash and A-combo.
also: in melee, Marth and Roy were clones, but Roy did not have the "tip of the sword" hit either, his was closer to the base, he had longer range, and was slower, but more powerful. they were clones, and have nearly the same relationship that marth and Ike share.
some different motions, though many are still similar, as well as similar movesets and hitboxes.
their relationship is just as obvious as any other clones in the game, the only difference is that Ike wasn't in melee.

[Kookymime]

I found myself using falco,slowly positioning to toon link. When i settled down and lost a couple matches with him i adjusted to metaknight. (still using him.)

Metaknight: Reflection of speeding attacks with just enough power to do enough damage.

Olimar: The strength to defeat an army of ikes and marths with pikmin to weaken life and cause futile damage.

Marth: The combos that constantly used to hurt people easily with a lot of damage subduing opponents.

Toon link: Great combos to hurt opponent with strength but using sword slam on opponents may cost you the match. Can't move while doing the move but it does do double damage if you land a hit.

Game & Watch: great landing and securing safety but Slow attacks that may cost a few lives. Key blade down allows you to adjust to your opponents and greater chance of hitting unlikely of toonlink.

Diddy kong: Quick at running and may do a lot of damage while running.

These are all the characters i use,most of them weren't what i expected but it doesnt matter because i'm good with them.

[Absol]

mmmmm i thought i waz a beast with sheeik but now its link and lucario:)